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Get to Know TCU, Part 4: When Wisconsin Has The Ball

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This is the fourth of a four part series in which we exchange five questions with Ben Findley, who covers TCU for SBNation's Mountain West Connection. This week we take a look at when Wisconsin has the ball. You can find my answers to MWC's questions about Wisconsin's offense here including my prediction for the game. 

B5Q: Tell us about the 4-2-5 defense. I've seen a couple really good breakdowns of the system, but why is it so successful at TCU?

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MWC: The basic premise of the 4-2-5 defense is that by adding another safety you are increasing the amount of speed on the field as well as the flexibility of your personnel. The defense was designed to stop the run with the use of leverage and the amount of players you can get to the point of attack. At this point of it's existence there is very little blitzing out of the 4-2-5 and the front four is relied upon to create it's own pressure in passing situations and to occupy multiple blockers freeing the linebackers in running situations. To me the most unique characteristics of this defense are that the back 7 is split down the middle and called as two separate defenses, and that all defendesr are taught to maintain lane integrity very similar to kickoff coverage which creates the leverage I spoke of earlier. It is so successful at TCU because it is Gary Patterson's brain child and he has had 13 plus years to tinker with it and learn all of it's intricacies. Patterson originally installed it while he was the defensive coordinator at New Mexico because he was playing with less talented personnel than his opposition and he needed an edge. Since moving to the fertile recruiting ground of the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex the defense has really taken off and now with a golden ticket that is BCS AQ status coming in 2012 the sky is the limit for Gary Patteron's 4-2-5 defense. For those B5Q readers who fancy themselves X's and O's guys and would like a more in-depth primer on TCU's 4-2-5 here is some required reading: Multiplicity But Simplicity: Why the 4-2-5 Defense by Gary Patterson,Inside the 4-2-5 Defense by Shakin' the Southland of SB Nation, Gary Patterson: Innovator or Sideshow? by The Tortilla Retort, and for those of you that are not as football savvy and need humor to be interjected into your sports articles in order for you to follow along check out TCU's Rise To BCS Power And Dominating Defense Somewhat Mythbusted For The Lay Person by Spencer Hall of SB Nation's EBSBS.

B5Q: I have a ton of respect for the TCU defense and I keep hearing about how the players are not big, but they are very fast. With that said, you are supposed to run right at speed and that's where Wisconsin's offense thrives. Is this the worst possible matchup for the Frogs' D?

MWC: I hate to argue your every point when you are just innocently setting up a question but in the past month I have set a precedent for it so why stop now? The whole "not big, but very fast" statement about the TCU defenders is one that drives me absolutely bonkers because it is a complete misconception that is perpetuated everyday on ESPN by jack wagons like Craig James and Mark May. Let's take a quick look at the heights and weights of the starting defenders at Wisconsin and TCU as listed by Rivals and do a position by position size comparison:

Wisconsin DT's: 6-4 284, 6-3 290, TCU DT's: 6-2 308, 6-1 310, DT Edge: TCU.

Wisconsin LB's: 6-2 223, 6-1 231, 6-0 234, TCU LB's: 6-3 245, 6-2 237, LB Edge: TCU.

Wisconsin CB's 5-9 190, 5-10 190, TCU CB's: 5-10 185, 6-2 201. CB Edge: TCU.

Wisconsin S's: 5-9 205, 6-0 204, TCU S's: 6-1 214, 6-1 212, 6-0 195, S Edge: TCU.

Wisconsin DE's: 6-4 250, 6-6 292, TCU DE's: 6-2 255, 6-2 263, Edge: Wisconsin.

So only at the defensive end position are the Badgers bigger than the Frogs, and in TCU's defense we have a 6-6, 272 pound defensive end that can't crack the rotation at end, so while Patterson is recruiting guys that are faster he isn't exactly looking for small guys either. What makes TCU's defense smaller than your typical 4-3 is that in the 4-2-5 you take away one linebacker and replace him with a smaller and faster safety, so the difference really comes down to one player. As far as this being the worst possible matchup for the Frogs I would have to say yes, the only team I would least rather see TCU face this season is Alabama. The type of offenses that always seem to give TCU the most trouble are ones ones with elite quarterbacks that can stretch the field deep like the Sam Bradford-led Oklahoma Sooners and ones with big backs, efficient quarterbacks, and big athletic tight ends that are constantly open on play-action. BYU was one of these offenses in the era of Harvey Unga, Max Hall, and Dennis Pitta, and Wisconsin seems to fit this bill as well with John Clay, Scott Tolzien, and Lance Kendricks. This is not to say that the 4-2-5 cannot stop a power run attack because in 2005 TCU went into Norman, OK and held Adrian Peterson to a paltry 63 yards rushing on 22 attempts for an average of 2.9 yards per carry, remember that Patterson designed the 4-2-5 to stop the run.

B5Q: What are the strengths and weaknesses of the TCU defense?

MWC: The strengths of this defense are sideline-to-sideline pursuit and the pass rush of the four down-lineman. The weaknesses are interior run defense and deep ball coverage. One of the biggest reasons that the interior run defense is a weakness right now is because 6-1, 310 pound starting nose tackle Kelly Griffin has been out since October 23rd when he suffered a broken ankle against Air Force. Griffin is built like a fire-hydrant and consistently commands a double-team, and to say he has been missed would be a drastic understatement because the Frogs don't have anyone that can match his sheer size in the middle. Griffin has been practicing with the team but has been deemed a game-time decision by Patterson, and even if he does get cleared to play the question then becomes how many plays can he go and how effective will he be. If he can go even 10 plays or so and get in on the majority of first down plays it would make a world of difference for the Frogs so keep an eye out for #69 on Saturday.

B5Q: Who are the playmakers on the TCU defense? Which player might surprise?

MWC: The top 3 impact players on the TCU defense are linebacker Tank Carder, safety Tejay Johnson, and defensive end Wayne Daniels. All 3 have been named All-Americans and all 3 are veteran team leaders, Johnson and Carder are defensive team captains. An under-the-radar player to keep an eye on is red-shirt freshman defensive end Stansly Maponga who has shown all the characteristics of a defensive terror in his debut year. Something tells me that Maponga is going to put Tolzien on his back more than once on Saturday.

B5Q: OK, it's finally game week. Give us your prediction, including score, offensive MVP and defensive MVP.

MWC: As I've said before I think the game will be won or lost based on how the TCU offense performs against the UW defense and that if the Frogs can get out to an early lead that it should be TCU's to lose. Dalton and company have had a long time to think about what happened last year in the Fiesta Bowl and there is no way in hell they let that happen again, this team is focused and hungry. I predict that Dalton is going to come out hot and spread the ball around at will for quick and early scores on short fields thanks to Jeremy Kerley. I feel that TCU's defense will come to a stalemate of sorts with the Wisconsin offense, of course the Badger run offense will get theirs but I predict that TCU will bend but not break, coming up with just enough stops to keep the Frogs comfortably in front. The x-factor of this game will be Jeremy Kerley who should be a thorn in the side of the Badger defense and special teams all day long, look for at least two field-position flipping returns and at least one offensive TD from Kerley. TCU 38 Wisconsin 27. Offensive MVP: Andy Dalton, 21-27, 289 yds 2 TD's. Defensive MVP: CB Greg McCoy, INT for TD .I had a dream last week that McCoy returned an interception 80 plus yards for a touchdown on Wisconsin's opening drive so I am going with that.

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I obviously disagree with the prediction.

TCU’s not throwing out anything that Wisconsin’s yet to see. On the other side, TCU can’t simulate Wisconsin’s O-line and the bruising style of John Clay. Finally, TCU hasn’t had to play sixty minutes once. Their defense forces three-and-outs almost fifty percent of the time; what’s going to happen when they’re left on the field against a physical team that can move the chains?

I also think TCU is going to bring down two of the three safeties and turn the 4-2-5 into a 4-4-3. Look for Lance Kendricks win a few matchups down the middle, Nick Toon to make at least one play over the top, and the Badgers to mix in multiple-wideout sets to off-set nine men in the box.

On defense, a healthy Jordan Kohout and Mike Taylor will help bottle up TCU’s offensive line. On passing downs, I think they’ll move Watt around and put Nzegwu at left end to neutralize that 6’7" 360lb right tackle. Culmer St. John will feature prominently in at least one turnover.

If the Badger defense holds, there will be a two touchdown lead by the late third/early fourth quarter. Wisconsin racks up some #1 votes in the final poll after they roll, 37-20.

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2010 Big Ten Champs- On Wisconsin!

by Mardiros Efendi on Dec 30, 2010 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

TCU: Defensive much?

Weird response to your honest question about TCU’s speed and size.

by Critical Badger on Dec 30, 2010 4:49 PM CST reply actions  

So...

Wisconsin should be able to handle these slow, fat guys from Texas.

by MisterRok on Dec 30, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

In a previous post I believe he mentioned that Patterson goes out and recruits guys with speed, irrespective of position, then plugs them into his defense. Apparently a former high school quarterback grew up to be a stud defensive end. It’s not fair to get worked up over the perpetuation of your own narrative….

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by Mardiros Efendi on Dec 30, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Overlooking the obvious?

For me, it isn’t necessarily the size of the Wisconsin offensive line that’s fearsome, it’s the athleticism and how well they work as a team. Sure, TCU may be a lot closer in size on their defensive line than a lot are giving them credit for, but they definitely haven’t had to block against a scheme such as Wisconsin’s. This certainly drove home an exclamation point after the Purdue game: http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2010/11/8/1801246/monday-film-session-breaking-down-uws-blocking-convoy

If any of the offensive linemen are able to pull and block the safeties on the corner, it’ll be off to the races.

I’ve read a lot of comparisons between the two teams, but I haven’t seen anyone break down the single game against a common opponent: UNLV. The score was closer in the Wisconsin game, but a look at the team stats shows a pretty close resemblance between the two teams. Then you look at when the games were played. Wisconsin faced UNLV at the start of the year and TCU faced them at the end of the year.

If Wisconsin plays the mistake free football that they’ve been playing, I don’t see TCU winning the game. Limit the dropped passes and play halfway decent punt coverage and Bucky should be able to grind over TCU.

by Dwieber on Dec 30, 2010 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly.

I don’t see any TCU players on All-American lists.

Complain that your size matches up with our size, but in the end, the awards are in our locker room.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Dec 30, 2010 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually....

Tejay Johnson (S) is a first-team all-American, Kirkpatrick © and Carder (LB) are on the second team; and Kirkpatrick won the Rimmington Award as top center in the country.

Still, they’ve yet to play AGAINST any all-Americans. The five they play against on Saturday will be the first five they’ve seen all year. Wisconsin’s already played against five (Kerrigan, Boeren, Jones, Claybourn, Robinson).

I can’t harp on it enough- these are the factors that tilt the game Bucky’s way: (1) TCU has yet to battle for 60 mins; Bucky has (while being extremely disciplined); (2) TCU has yet to face a truly hostile crowd, having played every road game in a high school-sized stadium; (3) TCU simply CANNOT simulate the size, strength, and talent of Wisconsin in practice. TCU, on the other hand, will not be showing Wisconsin a heretofore unseen level of skill.

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by Mardiros Efendi on Dec 30, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I was speaking directly to the offensive line.

I thought Jake won that last year, my mistake. I apologize.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Dec 30, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

As for your second point, I expect the stadium to be bleeding red.

Just covered in red. This’ll be almost a home game as far as I can tell.

And CFN just published their predictions, with us winning. I trust CFN for college football more than any other publication.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1031961.html

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Dec 30, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take it.

Another point I neglected to mention was the magnitude of the game. Not only has TCU not been tested for sixty minutes, not only have they yet to play a team as deep and talented as Wisconsin, but they’ve tumbled in their only appearance on the big stage- and that was against (in my opinion) an overrated Boise State squad.

You’re exactly right. The stadium will be Camp Randall West. Again.

UW 37
TCU 20

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by Mardiros Efendi on Dec 30, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Every time some media type talks about Badgers offense they say, “big” .

Very mobile and savvy offensive line with 3 fast EB’s who also have power along with an accurate and smart QB and great receivers including Toon Jefferson and 2 fine tight ends and a phenominal kicker is what they should say.

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Dec 31, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

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